News AMD Ryzen 9000G APUs rumored to launch in Q4 for AM5 motherboards

[Admin]

Hardware leaker HXL suggests that AMD's next-gen APU family on the AM5 platform is expected to launch in the fourth quarter of this year. It will likely be armed with Zen 5 cores and an RDNA 3.5 iGPU.

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[Pierce2623]

Now THIS is actually interesting. The desktop APUs shouldn’t have any issue killing lpddr5x in both bandwidth and latency and actually unlocking a fair amount more performance from the massive iGPU with over a thousand shaders.

 

[Notton]

In my opinion, AM5 APUs are DoA when competent Mobile on Desktop (MODT) exists.
Sure, the DDR5 SODIMMs max out at 5600MT/s, but the total system cost is significantly lower.

And then if you want to lessen the bottleneck of the iGPU, then you're going to do what?
Use fast DDR5? Do you know how much that costs?
CUDIMM doesn't even work properly in AM5 (for now, anyways), and if you thought fast DDR5 was expensive...

If you're going to spend that much to boost iGPU performance, maybe look into Framework's desktop? Even the "entry model" 385 has a 32CU iGPU with 32GB LPDDR5-8000 and it's not choked by a 128-bit memory bus.

 

[Pierce2623]

In my opinion, AM5 APUs are DoA when competent Mobile on Desktop (MODT) exists.
Sure, the DDR5 SODIMMs max out at 5600MT/s, but the total system cost is significantly lower.

And then if you want to lessen the bottleneck of the iGPU, then you're going to do what?
Use fast DDR5? Do you know how much that costs?
CUDIMM doesn't even work properly in AM5 (for now, anyways), and if you thought fast DDR5 was expensive...

If you're going to spend that much to boost iGPU performance, maybe look into Framework's desktop? Even the "entry model" 385 has a 32CU iGPU with 32GB LPDDR5-8000 and it's not choked by a 128-bit memory bus.

I think the majority of desktop AMD APUs these days go to people who enjoy memory overclocking. It’s nearly impossible to compete with MoDT minis for price. With Strix Point however, I’d NEVER run it on sodimm. If you’re trying to make a budget gaming box, just buy something with soldered on lpddr5x. That way you’re not lopping a ton of performance off the iGPU. You would literally go from 1060 6GB level graphical performance to 1050 2GB level performance.

 

[Ogotai]

AM5 APUs are DoA when competent Mobile on Desktop (MODT) exists.

and what if these are not available where some one is, then what .

that makes your whole opinion, moot..

 

[Manumarblanc]

APUs are a truly unique and integrated combination of CPU + GPU. APU units have more modest graphics capabilities than GPUs, although they can hold their own in certain games at 1080p. Naturally, like any GPU, an APU can use AI.

 

[Rob1C]

The AMD Ryzen™ AI Max+ PRO 395 already supports XDNA 2 and has 50 NPU TOPS with 126 TOPS overall; so I've missed the exciting portion of this announcement, other than it's an incremental upgrade that's probably soon on its way out.

 

[GravtheGeek]

Makes the Asrock Deskmini X600 all the more attractive an option.

Also tempted to pair these with some of the no frills asian am5 motherboard like Maxsun for cheap APU rigs for younger kids who don't need a discreet GPU.

Especially since the market for low end GPU is badly in need of a refresh. Radeon RX6400/6500, Arc 380 and Geforce 3050 are very long in the tooth for what they cost versus how they preform.

 

[bikemanI7]

Still have an older AMD APU based System in service in household here---might be worth looking into replacing later this year with another AMD based APU System.

AMD A6-3620 Liano Originally purchased June 2011, Surprisingly that Machine is still kicking along

Would be useful for a Family PC or Light use Casual gaming system, i used to run battlefield 4 on the AMD A6 3620, SecondLife, American Truck Simulator, Euro Truck Simulator 2, and a few other games, before i got a newer system, and converted that one into Family use PC

 

[GravtheGeek]

Still have an older AMD APU based System in service in household here---might be worth looking into replacing later this year with another AMD based APU System.

AMD A6-3620 Liano Originally purchased June 2011, Surprisingly that Machine is still kicking along

Would be useful for a Family PC or Light use Casual gaming system, i used to run battlefield 4 on the AMD A6 3620, SecondLife, American Truck Simulator, Euro Truck Simulator 2, and a few other games, before i got a newer system, and converted that one into Family use PC

I used some minisforum coupons + old GC for them to get a elitemini b550. The barebones is on sale for like $99 with a 30 coupon. Combine it with amazons sell on Ryzen 5700g, and some cheap ram and storage and you can make a pretty good apu for <250.

Granted, you could just buy a mini PC with even better apu for about the same.

But useful if you have some spare parts laying around to reduce the build cost.

 

[DS426]

The AMD Ryzen™ AI Max+ PRO 395 already supports XDNA 2 and has 50 NPU TOPS with 126 TOPS overall; so I've missed the exciting portion of this announcement, other than it's an incremental upgrade that's probably soon on its way out.

That is a VERY expensive, high-end CPU. Fortunately (?), XDNA 2's 50 TOPS NPU goes all the way down to the modest Ryzen AI 340, but then that model only has 4 RDNA CU's if I'm not mistaken, so 8 RDNA 3.5 CU's on Ryzen 9000G provides, well, enough for 1080P gaming (low/medium settings or sometimes higher for casual/less-demanding games), even with vanilla DDR5. Now, Ryzen 7 pricing on these kind of APU's hasn't made a lot of sense in the past whereas the Ryzen 5 models provided some pretty solid bang-for-buck. Hopefully AMD has finally acknowledged that and will closed up the pricing gap a little.

The desktop APU's have higher clock speeds since they have higher budgets via higher TDP ratings, so that's another difference. In many applications, these are going to provide better bang-for-buck than their mobile (Strix and Krackan) counterparts. These are staples in your typical OEM pre-built no-frills desktops. The lower-TDP version, the 'GE' models (e.g. Ryzen 5 9600GE) are popular in the tiny desktop formfactors like the HP Elite 805 Mini and Lenovo ThinkCenter M75q Tiny.